Happy Black Historyz Month

[Stark]

i think its funny when one of my white friends complain about say asian people being super cliquey and only hanging out with asian people...then i point out that 99% of their friends are white and they say its different.

White people...holding other people to different standards since beginning of time.

I dunno, I grew up in a really diverse area, and asians usually have an extreme tendency to stick with their own. Anecdotal, take it as you will.

[Bgamer90]

Race is a real classification.

It has no biological basis. Race is a man made concept.

We are NOT all the same, and culture is very real and important part of one's life.

Look at a map of the world. You see the continents? You ever notice how all of them can fit together like a puzzle? That's because all of the continents were once one large piece of land. All of us come from the same origin. Due to man not being perfect, man has caused society to create un-biological differences between fellow human beings.

There was a time in American history in which the State you lived in determined your race. If you live in one state and were "1/8 Black" or more (like that even makes sense lol) you were considered (full) Black, where as in other states one was considered Black if they were "1/4 Black". People could essentially cross the border line of their state and change their race (lol).

Heck, even today, a person can be considered one race in one country, and a different race in another. Some Asians are considered to be Black in certain parts of the world just because of their skin color.

Like, what's the difference between classifying someone by skin color in comparison to classifying someone by eye color aside from the fact that society puts more importance on the former? Just because something gets people to act & think a certain way doesn't mean that it's real. Just because Santa Clause gets people to act crazy in stores & malls during a certain time of the year doesn't make Santa Clause actually real.

Unity isn't possible only through ignoring differences, real unity is acknowledging differences and accepting them... not simply ignoring them. There is black history, and acknowledging that doesn't mean you have to divide it, you integrate it. Black history IS American history.

There is Black history because man classified it that way since men created the classification "Black people" in the first place.

The differences that the man made concept of race created has had a significant, unfair influence on the way that certain people live to the point in which it definitely shouldn't be ignored. However, as long as we keep on classifying people based on something that isn't real, the more that people won't accept the differences of "race". Why? Because "race" isn't universal in terms of categorization (as I mentioned before).

There IS a difference in people, and there are huge differences between cultures and races You cannot pretend there isn't, and I'd argue that pretending such is racist in itself.

Yes there is a difference in people (obviously), but the significance put on a person based on race/skin color is at an absolutely ridiculous level and mostly everything that was created based on those differences were made by man as well as being constantly changed through out time (even now).

And "lol", at you saying that me "ignoring" race is being racist. Previous men in history could have labeled "race" by eye color. So if I were to say that the color of someone's eyes is ultimately meaningless, would that make me a racist? I mean, there was a point in time in which the color of someone's skin was as meaningless as the way people currently treat eye color.

Honor differences, don't disregard them and aim for a single homogenous culture. America isn't a melting pot, its a salad bowl.

By acknowledging the fact that race isn't real, I am also acknowledging differences --- the differences in how people lived solely due to a false concept that has been integrated into society.

Placebo pills are made to deceive. They can cause actual changes in people. Would it make sense though to say that a person who says that a placebo is a fake and/or non-real pill automatically doesn't acknowledge the (mostly psychological) affects that a placebo pill can have on someone?

[Dii]

It has no biological basis. Race is a man made concept.

Doesn't say anything about issues today.

Look at a map of the world. You see the continents? You ever notice how all of them can fit together like a puzzle? That's because all of the continents were once one large piece of land. All of us come from the same origin. Due to man not being perfect, man has caused society to create un-biological differences between fellow human beings.

Also irrelevant.

There was a time in American history in which the State you lived in determined your race. If you live in one state and were "1/8 Black" or more (like that even makes sense lol) you were considered (full) Black, where as in other states one was considered Black if they were "1/4 Black". People could essentially cross the border line of their state and change their race (lol).

Heck, even today, a person can be considered one race in one country, and a different race in another. Some Asians are considered to be Black in certain parts of the world just because of their skin color.

Like, what's the difference between classifying someone by skin color in comparison to classifying someone by eye color aside from the fact that society puts more importance on the former? Just because something gets people to act & think a certain way doesn't mean that it's real. Just because Santa Clause gets people to act crazy in stores & malls during a certain time of the year doesn't make Santa Clause actually real.



There is Black history because man classified it that way since men created the classification "Black people" in the first place.

The differences that the man made concept of race created has had a significant, unfair influence on the way that certain people live to the point in which it definitely shouldn't be ignored. However, as long as we keep on classifying people based on something that isn't real, the more that people won't accept the differences of "race". Why? Because "race" isn't universal in terms of categorization (as I mentioned before).

The damage is done, you don't fix it by ignoring it. You don't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist. Race doesn't have to have universal 'guidelines' to be real. The fact is, that many of our social divides ARE by race (and hey, big surprise, culture and race are very closely intertwined). Choosing to "ignore" the labels doesn't dissolve the divides. Just because you don't call someone black, doesn't mean they're not black, and it sure as hell doesn't dissolve the cultural aspect to it.

Yes there is a difference in people (obviously), but the significance put on a person based on race/skin color is at an absolutely ridiculous level and mostly everything that was created based on those differences were made by man as well as being constantly changed through out time (even now).

And "lol", at you saying that me "ignoring" race is being racist. Previous men in history could have labeled "race" by eye color. So if I were to say that the color of someone's eyes is ultimately meaningless, would that make me a racist? I mean, there was a point in time in which the color of someone's skin was as meaningless as the way people currently treat eye color.

Ignoring race is akin to ignoring the problem. Nice in intentions, but entirely wrong in application. It would make you racist if the divides by eye color, and all the years and years of influence, still existed.




By acknowledging the fact that race isn't real, I am also acknowledging differences --- the differences in how people lived solely due to a false concept that has been integrated into society.

And ignoring the institutional racism widespread in our society, that has created a huge wealth divide.

Placebo pills are made to deceive. They can cause actual changes in people. Would it make sense though to say that a person who says that a placebo is a fake and/or non-real pill automatically doesn't acknowledge the (mostly physiological) affects that a placebo pill can have on someone?

Oh yes, something as complex as race and society compared to a placebo. lol

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[Bgamer90]

Doesn't say anything about issues today.

Also irrelevant.

I was replying to you saying that race is real.

The damage is done, you don't fix it by ignoring it. You don't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist.

I never said that we should ignore the problems that the made man concept of race has created.

Race doesn't have to have universal 'guidelines' to be real. The fact is, that many of our social divides ARE by race (and hey, big surprise, culture and race are very closely intertwined). Choosing to "ignore" the labels doesn't dissolve the divides. Just because you don't call someone black, doesn't mean they're not black, and it sure as hell doesn't dissolve the cultural aspect to it.

But someone who is considered as being Black in one country can have a different cultural/societal upbringing compared to someone who is considered as being Black in another country.

Heck, in some cases it can even be in same the same country (e.g.: light skin black vs. dark skin black) .

Ignoring race is akin to ignoring the problem. Nice in intentions, but entirely wrong in application. It would make you racist if the divides by eye color, and all the years and years of influence, still existed.

So it would make my racist to say that eye color is meaningless and was stupidly given meaning by man if there was significant divides by eye color? Really?

Aren't people who are racist/bigots the ones that feel that certain people are superior to others and/or act a certain way based on traits? Where did I ever say anything similar to that?

And ignoring the institutional racism widespread in our society, that has created a huge wealth divide.

lol, I acknowledged it in my last post, basically saying how skin color has stupidly caused people to go through hardships.

Oh yes, something as complex as race and society compared to a placebo. lol

Come on now... The point of me saying that was to show how a person can acknowledge something not being real as still having a significant influence.

It's hard to reason with people who take things out of context.

[hub]

We are NOT all the same.

Actually, we ARE all the same.

Fact.

I hate to break it to you, but there is no such thing as BLACK history. There's a thing called history. Period.

[Thug541]

I dunno, I grew up in a really diverse area, and asians usually have an extreme tendency to stick with their own. Anecdotal, take it as you will.

but this is what i'm talking about....i think when whites stick with whites, its not as noticeable...but it exists HEAVY.

Like i've been to weddings and other gatherings where i am legit the only black person. I'm not blaming whites...i'm not blaming blacks...but i think EVERYBODY has this tendacy to seek out what they are comfortable with. Its why i think i don't have that many black friends myself....I've always been raised around whites and did a lot of things people don't' normally associate with black people (like snowboarding/skateboarding etc.) because of this i've just always had white friends.

Its just an interesting thing that i find gets called out about asians and indians...but I think blacks and whites do it just as much.

[Reverb]

How are you guys going to go about ignoring race? If you took my eyes away sure, but where's the progress in that?

I remember reading somewhere that other countries don't suffer from the racial problems as bad as America, would you Canadians say that's true?

[Bgamer90]

How are you guys going to go about ignoring race? If you took my eyes away sure, but where's the progress in that?

It's not about ignoring it, it's about giving it no relevance to the way that someone or a group of people are. Giving things labels by race forces their to be distinction, which thus encourages people to unnecessarily separate things.

With as much stereotyping that goes on based on someone's skin, why wouldn't that cause progress?

[Reverb]

Yeah but it is relevant. Blacks dominate sports, Asians math, Whites other people. How can you ignore that? I'll be able to accept the way you think if race didn't have an impact on person. But it does, look at porn brah. Don't see Asian men to often do ya?

In social regards, there's not much you can say about that. Color doesn't mean anything. I'd say that's determined by upbringing and environmental influences.

Hah, just realized you guys were talking about how race plays a role in social standings.

[Kinectamaniac]

Yeah but it is relevant. Black dominate sports, Asians math, Whites other people. How can you ignore that?

Blacks dominate the NBA...that's about it. So saying blacks dominate sports is ridiculous. I'm pretty damn good at math, but I'm not asian. And what does "whites other people" supposed to mean?